By  Sébastien Page, CFA

Bullish signals, concentration risk, and credit cockroaches

Discover how our Asset Allocation Committee is navigating a host of bullish and bearish signals.

October 2025, In the Spotlight

Key Insights
  • Bullish macro and fundamental trends are juxtaposed with high valuations and possible cracks in the economy, creating mixed signals for investors.
  • Despite some high-profile bankruptcies, our Asset Allocation Committee doesn’t see signs of a late-stage credit cycle.
  • The committee continues to favor real asset equities amid persistent upside risks to inflation.

Referring to recent bankruptcies in the headlines, Jamie Dimon commented, “...when you see one cockroach, there’s probably more."1 As our Asset Allocation Committee discussed whether we’re about to enter a credit cycle blow-up (we don’t think we are), one committee member wondered out loud, “Isn’t there a difference between a potential fraud cockroach2 and a default cockroach?”

The delicate balance between negative signals—high valuations, possible cracks in the economy, and “cockroaches”—and positive ones—massive artificial intelligence (AI) spending, strong corporate earnings, and Federal Reserve (Fed) rate cuts—provided the backdrop for yet another one of our epic bull versus bear debates.

In the end, we decided to maintain a neutral stance on equities, balancing solid fundamentals with expensive valuations.

Tactical and structural considerations

“It’s hard to see what stands in the way of a continued rally for the next six months,” a committee member said, reflecting the dominant but cautious optimism. Fundamental and macro factors are supportive of risk assets:

  • The Fed is expected to cut another 125 basis points3
  • Fiscal policy is loose
  • AI-related investment is driving corporate spending
  • Earnings are growing at 10% to 12%4
  • Liquidity remains abundant

Over the past three months, small-cap, emerging market, and real-asset segments—especially precious metals—have outpaced large-cap growth stocks.5 Performance has broadened.

But other members were less sanguine. Are we in an AI bubble?*

“There’s uncertainty because we’re in a data blackout,” one member said, referring to delays in official economic data due to the federal government shutdown. Another noted that “the web of circular deals in the AI buildout looks like vendor finance from the dot-com era.” Yet another framed the tension created by high valuations this way: “I don’t buy into the narrative that because everyone says we’re in a bubble, it means we’re not in a bubble.”

“I’m structurally bearish but tactically bullish,” summarized a member—to which another replied, “I’m tactically bearish but structurally bullish.”

Credit market cracks?

We reaffirmed an overweight to high yield debt. Demand for credit remains steady despite isolated defaults. “High-profile bankruptcies may shift sentiment in the lowest-quality part of the high yield market,” a committee member said. “But First Brands and Tricolor don’t seem to be strictly credit events; leverage and interest coverage look decent; and there’s no rush to CCC rated bond issuance6 or aggressive leveraged buyouts, so it doesn’t feel like a late-stage credit cycle.”

While spreads are tight, total yields remain attractive, and fundamentals don’t yet signal the start of a credit downturn. Plus, it’s important to keep current spread levels in context. As Arif Husain, T. Rowe Price head of Global Fixed Income and CIO, has highlighted, today’s spreads reflect several shifts in credit markets.A general decline in sovereign credit quality has made the “risk-free rate"8 somewhat riskier.

Upside inflation risks

Markets seem to have taken solace from the lower-than-expected readings in September Consumer Price Index data, but we don’t see a let-up in the larger, structural forces driving inflation risks to the upside:

  • Energy demand. Data center spending is at record levels.9 I’m noticing more headlines about rising electricity prices hitting pocketbooks.
  • Geopolitical uncertainty. We’re keeping a close eye on food prices amid tariff and other policy risks.
  • Fiscal stimulus globally. Germany is set to ramp up spending on defense and infrastructure, and Japan’s recent election results suggest that even more stimulus is on the way.

For all the talk of labor market softness, wage gains have remained solid. Retail spending is also holding up, enabling companies to keep passing along higher prices. As my colleague Blerina Uruçi, T. Rowe Price chief U.S. economist, recently pointed out in a TV interview, the ingredients for a reflation trade are in place.10

We continue to favor real assets equities (in addition to inflation-linked bonds) in this environment. The steady drivers behind gold’s melt-up, such as central bank buying and a weaker U.S. dollar,11 have added to the case for real assets exposure.

Duration

Partly related to our inflation view, we continue to underweight duration in fixed income. We discussed whether to lengthen our duration position as the Fed cuts. “It’s becoming a bold call to say the 10-year [U.S. Treasury yield] ends higher in a cutting cycle,” one member said. Still, fiscal stimulus, persistent deficits, and heavy Treasury issuance suggest upward pressure on yields. For now, we will hold our short duration stance.

Prepared for a wide range of outcomes

Earnings and liquidity remain supportive, but valuations leave little room for disappointment.

We’re holding risk assets neutral, overweighting high yield for carry, staying short duration for flexibility, and maintaining moderate overweights in real assets and international equities. This posture provides diversification in a concentrated market. With the range of outcomes growing wider, a “muddle-through” scenario for markets seems increasingly unlikely.

“Neutral feels right,” a member concluded. “We're one data print away from conviction in either direction.”

*A note on valuations: On my Bloomberg Terminal, as of October 15, 2025, the forward 12-month aggregate price/earnings (P/E) ratio is at 22. Using monthly data from July 1994 to September 2025, we can compare average forward-year returns when the S&P 500 Index reached an all-time high versus when P/E ratios exceeded 21, helping us gauge the empirical probability of a muddle-through return (in the 5% to 15% range) over the next year (Fig. 1).

Probability of a muddle-through return

(Fig. 1) Analysis of forward-year returns

Metric P/E > 21 All Periods
Number of observations 17 364
Average 12-month return +7% +10%
Probability of return between +5% and +15% 18% 32%

 

Source: T. Rowe Price analysis based on S&P 500 Index data from July 29, 1994, to September 30, 2025, obtained via Bloomberg Finance L.P

 

 

When the P/E is above 21, a muddle-through return is 44% less likely (18% probability versus 32% for the full sample). As a TV talking point, one could say “almost half as likely.”

Moving from data to anecdotes, there were only a few times in history when the P/E reached 22 on an uptrend (higher than the prior month), as it just did. Except for December 1999, forward returns in those periods were strong (Fig. 2). Committee members have been referring to this scenario as a “blow-off top.”

Performance in higher valuation environments

(Fig. 2) Forward returns when P/E ratio climbs to 22

Metric Forward P/E  Start Price Forward Return Window
Dec. 31, 1998 23.1749 1,229.23 +19.53% 12 Months
Jan. 29, 1999 23.5385 1,279.64 +8.97% 12 Months
Dec. 31, 1999 22.5513 1,469.25 -10.14% 12 Months
Dec. 31, 2020 22.4761 3,756.07 +26.89% 12 Months
Nov. 29, 2024 22.0348 6,032.38 +10.47% (11 Months)
Jan. 31, 2025 22.1912 6,040.53 +10.32% (9 Months)

 

Note: Data show average forward 12-month P/E ratios and forward returns for the S&P 500 Index observed within the period of December 31, 1998, to October 17, 2025.
Source: Bloomberg Finance L.P

 

And before the crash of 2008? The P/E ratio was in the low to mid-teens (Fig. 3).

Forward 12-month aggregate P/E ratio

(Fig. 3) Ratio over time
Time series chart of the forward 12-month P/E ratio for the S&P 500 Index, highlighting the index’s relatively modest valuation by historical standards leading up to the 2008 crash.

Note: Data reflect monthly measures of the forward 12-month P/E ratio for the S&P 500 Index from July 29, 1994, to October 15,
2025.
Source: Bloomberg Finance, L.P.

 

Sébastien Page, CFA Head, Global Multi-Asset and CIO
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1 Source: JPMorgan Chase, 3Q25 Financial Results: Earnings Call Transcript, October 14, 2025.

2 Referring to fraud allegations made by creditors against Tricolor and First Brands, two companies that recently filed for bankruptcy. Reporting available via Bloomberg, “Tricolor Collapse Sends Fifth Third on a Hunt for Bad Collateral,” October 17, 2025, and Reuters, “Jefferies CEO says bank was defrauded by auto parts maker First Brands,” October 17, 2025.

3 Source: CME Group FedWatch, Fed Funds futures pricing for the September 2027 Federal Open Market Committee meeting, as of October 17, 2025.

4 Earnings per share grew at 10.4% in Q2 2025 according to S&P Global (see “Q2 2025 Earnings Review: Performance, Market Revisions, Sentiment,” September 15, 2025) and are expected to grow 11% for calendar year 2025 according to FactSet (see “Earnings Insight,” October 17, 2025).

5 Based on total return comparisons between the Russell 1000 Growth, Russell 2000, MSCI Emerging Markets, and S&P GCI Precious Metals indices over the period from June 30, 2025, to October 17, 2025.

6 CCC rated companies are considered “speculative grade,” implying a high degree of credit risk. A notable rise in CCC-rated debt issuance may signal the late stages of a credit cycle.

7 Arif Husain, “Are structural spread changes concealing value in credit?” T. Rowe Price Insight, August 2025.

8 The differential between the yield on lower-quality debt and the yield on high-quality government debt (which is known as the “risk-free rate”) is referred to as a credit spread.

9 Source: Reuters, “US data center build hits record as AI demand surges, Bank of America Institute says,” September 10, 2025.

10 Bloomberg Surveillance, October 21, 2025.

11 Rick de los Reyes, “What is driving gold prices to all-time highs?” T. Rowe Price Insight, November 2024.

 

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